I’m not sure I understand this statement. They seem no where close, as I understand each.
The way I understood him was the use of patterns for identification purposes. By using a GOS location over and over or many, theoretically a person could be tracked and identified if I catch what he’s saying.
By energy use I could see someday way way in the future where you buy an appliance that is “connected” and it would work the same way. But I see “connected” appliances being able to identify themselves and therefore identify users a long time before that. Long before energy use came into play
Regarding GPS, I don’t imagine most people want to be tracked around the city, the country and the world every minute of the day. Who sees that information and how will they use it? Maybe you’re not concerned about the government or corporations having that knowledge, so what about an employer or a creep? Physical location in your house can be interpolated from energy use. Using more energy than the neighbors? One of those people who snacks from the fridge late at night? Fat? Health issues? Dodgy insurance prospect? Why do you have 3 freezers? A hunter perhaps? All these people seem very idle on Friday afternoon until Saturday night! Hmmm. There are benign ways of using that information but without going further into a long-winded diatribe against socialized data (can I call it that?), as a general rule it seems these days if something is really useful to you it’s going to be really really useful to someone else.
Corollary: We don’t mind having our photos on the Cloud and having ML on those images but I don’t think many people want to make all their images publicly accessible, especially linked to their identity.
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Maybe you’re not concerned about the government or corporations having that knowledge, so what about an employer or a creep?
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I would trust the creep before the government and I wouldn’t trust the creep to begin with. I’m concerned and cautious but not paranoid.
Probably cavy is pretty much history. Every terms of service pretty much assured that these days. Just using your ISP alone just smashed any privacy you have due the all the service cars and servers everything had to go through all run and owned by countless entities with their own terms that your ISP has to agree with and we have zero knowledge of.
It’s a shame about what rights and the privacy we’ve lost
As far as sense goes, I think their privacy is solid
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[I just re-read this thread and although the following could justify a new topic perhaps, it seems relevant here … and a cautionary tale to those who might think open sourcing and privacy is non-trivial]
Fantastic documentary on PBS Frontline recently:
Something to note: Kai-Fu Lee headed Apple R&D for PlainTalk & Casper (sound familiar?) … one has to think that he has some tentacles in the electrical device disaggregation realm: “SenseSino”?
There’s an historical reference that really resonates here on many levels. As Andrew Ng has said (and essentially quoted by Lee): “AI is the New Electricity”
My main thoughts after watching this are:
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Data privacy is really complicated in the real world. e.g. the example (in the doc above) of using people’s phone charging behavior to determine whether to give them a bank loan. Lesson: at scale, seemingly innocuous data tidbits are extremely vulnerable to exploitation.
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Imagine the State having open access to your Sense data under these circumstances. Oh my.
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“Open Source” needs refinement … your (nation) State may offer blanket legal protections to IP and data but others don’t.
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Maybe, eventually, “Electricity is the New AI”!
Footnote (with tongue firmly in cheek): If my phone battery dies, and my phone is what I use to get a loan, does one need AI to determine whether I should get a loan?
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Here we go, this just in … OpenSource in the real world:
Open Source is a mixed bag. I think there are a lot of software and service suppliers that do very nicely adding proprietary layers on top of Amazon AWS’s mix of proprietary and open source infrastructure. Even though Amazon is fairly rapacious, it’s important to realize that they do have competitors in Microsoft/Azure, Google Cloud, and even guys like IBM and Oracle that mostly focused on internal “cloud”.
The thing that makes Amazon super interesting to startups is that they offer 95% of the value of a big company’s internal infrastructure at about 10% of the cost and you only need to buy what you use. A few years ago, you could only build new “platforms” by creating the entire software statk yourself with supplies like IBM and Oracle collecting tools in the middle. Now you can buy the those same capabilities like a utility. Every time Amazon “strip mines” some open source, they offer it as a lower cost new capability to the folks that build on top of them.
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Sure.
And the Redis Labs example fits right in to that enticement: Amazon essentially takes 90% of the profit but 10% of huge is still huge for a “small” company. The question I suppose is (10% + 90%) of huge worth the grief?
[When the likes of Apple has its lawyers talk to Amazon lawyers and strike a deal for cloud hosting photos you gotta figure the process is waaaay beyond what a sub-Unicorn company can commit to]
Amazon complaining about the loss of the $10 billion JEDI contract to Microsoft for some reason makes me think of when Microsoft rescued Apple in 1997 with $150 million. Money makes the world go round.
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