I agree. It would be great if Sense would work with a product you can actually buy on the market.
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You can buy HS300s and now KP115s. As well as Wemo insights… I think what you really mean is a broader selection ??
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The app says nothing about KP115s. When you click on Integrations in the app it specifically says HS110 and HS300. I need something that will fit in an outdoor enclosure, to the HS300 is not a fit.
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Hi @ray. The KP-115 currently works with the existing TP-Link integration. We’ll be updating the app, site and relevant help articles this week.
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I like the kp115’s and have a hs110 but I have 3 energy monitoring SmartThings plugs , I know they’re different because they only report the power draw at that moment but it would be great if sense could integrate them and track their usage
Not to digress too much, but are there any smart outlets (not plugs) with built-in energy monitoring?
I know TP-Link makes the KP200, but it does not say on it whether it has energy monitoring. Does any one make them?
GE/Jasco is supposedly working on a Zigbee in wall receptacle with energy monitoring. The latest Zigbee version doesn’t include that but another version is supposed to come out. Their Zwave outlets don’t provide energy monitoring.
My take is that you need the combo of energy monitoring plus WiFi to support the data rates that Sense uses today. I don’t think Zigbee or Zwave infrastructure has the guaranteed latency / bandwidth capabilities required from what I have seen from experienced users on the SmartThings forum.
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Correct, I was thinking primarily WIFI as the other technologies are rather limited in range and not as secure. Needless to say, it also must talk to Sense.
Personally, on one hand I like the cleaner look vs a smart plug but I feel it’s much more likely to crap out than a regular outlet and need replacing, not that replacing an outlet is a big deal I just don’t like bending the wires back and forth more than necessary. Plus inevitably better ones will come along and it’s much easier to swap a plug. On that note hopefully Sense will allow us to retire an individual plug or swap the data to a new one soon. The smart plugs/ strips I have are out of sight anyway.
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Correct, that’s exactly the thinking: cleaner look. Though one has to think what to do with those when it comes time to sell the house and move on. A regular outlet is $2, a smart one is $40. At least the KP115 have a smaller footprint than the HS110.
Exactly, I don’t want to think about selling the house I do have a few smart switches but to me they make a lot of sense because I have them hooked up to my smart things hub to turn on my outside lights at sunset set them to a certain dimmer level etc and a few others in the house for voice control. other than that the vast majority of my smart plugs, if not all of them, are out of sight. I managed to talk a few TP-Link HS300s under dressers and the bedroom and ran wires to their. I’m a little OCD when it comes to wire management I guess.
I can lend some insight re: SmartThings. We evaluated their latest wi-fi monitoring plug when it was released and had high hopes, but unfortunately we’re unable to integrate it due to restrictions with the API. We’d only be able to poll it via the cloud and for remotely usable resolution, we really need plugs that we can integrate with via the local network.
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I’ll probably just use those smart things plugs for things I know don’t use much electricity at all. Like some LED string lights I have outside at full like 2 Watts per strand
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The PLUG shouldn’t need to monitor power, in my opinion, because that’s what Sense is for! All it needs to do is send a signature that Sense can understand so it can identify the load as a known plug… and then begin to isolate and monitor that plug’s power.
Not to sounds harsh, but all this judgement about what Sense should and shouldn’t need to do, doesn’t really come from a place of understanding. People throw about the terms “signature” and “learning” without really understanding the complexities of inexact parametric matching (machine learning). Start talking 20 dimensional parametric clustering and we can discuss what Sense should and shouldn’t be able to do. Claim that the plug just needs to send a signature and there’s not much that can be done - you’re wishing for something you think could work, without any basis in reality.
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SmartThings has officially opened its edge platform. Which allows for local control. Before any custom DTH or monitoring had to go to cloud be for. Now with the edge platform you can run locally. I hope this is a game changer for sense. I have zooz energy monitors. I think sense should at least utilize the triggers of smart devices. Ex: I turn on my garage light switch. Sense adds a marker to my trend and the same when it’s turned off (don’t have to trigger or match a device in sense). Similar to what sense recommends in the lab, but your not just turning stuff off and on.
Hi all,
Looks like Schneider / Wiser will have a whole line of switches and outlets that will work with Sense soon.
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Hi @kevin1 turns out that integration was killed, so we are back to square one, and now I have a bunch of Schneider outlets that are largely useless.
Thanks, Sense.
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@sense22 , so sorry to hear that, though I’m feeling a little pain myself - my Kitchen Switch (Wiser) no longer shows up due to the deprivation of the Wiser Integration. I’ve been playing with all this smart power home automation for about 8 years (started with Eve Energies), and it still feels like we’re a ways away from consistent integration ! Yet everybody crows about smart this and smart that as long as you are using their (cr) app !
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