Moen flo - Sense for water?


#1

Anyone seen or have a Moen flo? Quite expensive, but looks like a water version of Sense. Don’t think I can justify that cost, but the ability to shutoff a leak is interesting.

https://www.moen.com/flo


#2

It’s cheaper on the MeetFlo website :slight_smile: Still expensive though

https://meetflo.com/products/flo-home-water-system/


#3

Although I don’t use the Moen product, please check-out (Phyn.com). For months, I’ve conducted an indept personal cross-analysis against its competitors.

Phyn is my selection for my Smart Home. You’ll find the associated $850.00 price substantial. However, its quality is second to none… This is important, given that this will be my home forever!

I’m targeting my purchase and installation, the first week of March 2019. This is exactly the type of thing that’s worth saving for.


#4

It would be nice to see where all my water usage goes to for conservation purposes. The only place I have a flowmeter connected is my irrigation system, but it has been very helpful in two ways:

  • I can better understand which plants / beds are soaking up the most water. When you program in terms of drip heads, sprayers and time, you never quite know.

  • The Rachio flow meter has also found several surprise leaks that I wouldn’t have found for weeks. Much easier to find and fix. I get an alert that tells me which station is seeing increased (or decreased flow).


#5

I have a rachio, no flow meter attached yet. While it would be nice to separate the water by device, I’m just not sold on this being very useful other than to shut off the water. It’s pretty easy to separate the irrigation system cost from other, by comparing the winter to summer bills.


#6

For me it was an easy $150 (flowmeter cost plus pro install) given how many hours I have spent battling drip line leaks and broken heads over the past 15 years.


#7

I have a Rachio + flowmeter that hasn’t been installed yet, but that only covers the irrigation system. Would consider something similar for the domestic water too if the product marketplace is at a point where they’re refined and cost competitive. I have a private well, so other than the electrical use of the well pump as reported by Sense, I don’t have an easy way to track water consumption.


#8

That’s pretty awesome. How many units do they have installed? How well are they in identifying individual components? $850 is quite a sticker shock!


#9

Awesome is RIGHT! I don’t know how many have been sold… However, I’m sold!! Unlike Sense Energy Monitor, you can “train” the unit to recognize all of your water sources. Afterwards, let the monitoring begin!

I love Machine-Learning devices… Please let us know, which product that you decide to implement.


#10

That’s funny… I just became aware of this one

Which sounded good but because you don’t have to cut into the pipe to install, it can’t automatically shut off the water. So then I found the Moen one. I am seriously on the fence about it, because I would love to be able to monitor this, especially since my washer/dryer are upstairs in my house, and because I found a couple of water spots on my ceiling downstairs and can’t determine if they are active leaks or old ones.But since those spots are right over my very expensive TV, I think it might be worth it. Would love to hear from someone who has something similar how it works and whether it is worth it.


#11

Interesting. I have a device called “Flowie” which is basically a monitor you strap onto (literally) your existing water meter.

It uses a cellular connection to a back end which provides not only stats on your usage (there’s a nifty app), but also learns your usage patterns (like Sense) and will send you a barrage of alerts (text & email) if it detects anything abnormal. It also has a paired flood sensor I have in my basement in my utility area that will immediately alert you if it detects anything.

Although the system has no ability to turn the water off on it’s own, it is still very useful so far as alerting you there may be a problem, even if the power is off since it connects via cellular, and also has built in backup power. It has on several occasions alerted me to toilets that were left running, and of course when we are refilling our pool in the spring or changing the water in our hot tub it loses it’s mind, but you can dismiss the warnings. :wink:

I got it for free through my house insurance company including a years worth of service. It just occurred to me that I’m now over a year and it’s still working, so not sure what’s happening there, but I won’t complain.


#12

There seems to be two basic means of measuring water flow: a turbine like your water meter has and Flo uses or a less intrusive ultrasonic strap on device like Streamlabs. I choose streamlabs since it is half the cost (199.00 vice 399.00) even if I add a remote Z-Wave valve shut off such as the Dome it only adds 85.00 to the bottom line.

Flo by Moen does give impressive analytics by fixtures but only if you subscribe at 5.00 per month, There is no detail analytics available for streamlabs but no subscription cost either. There is a simple daily, monthly and yearly consumption bar graph as well as real time consumption. Streamlabs and Flo both provide leak alerts for free.

I use this on a Airbnb rental to watch for leaks. It is easy to toggle between Sense and Streamlabs to see if it the dishwasher or washer that is consuming the water. Handwashing, toilet and showers each use different flow rates so I can see what is on if I am truly interested. I did receive one leak alarm when a guest decided to wash his car with a running hose.