At what point do you just give up on Device Detection?

This is after a little over a year.
Had such high hopes for all the data I’d be able to pull out of this system and use it to monitor and optimize our usage, but I’m stuck with two sad bubbles :frowning:

It would be interesting to see your power meter waveforms both at the daily resolution and for an hour or so when the waveforms are most active. The power meter waveform might also show whether you have a “noisy” device that is masking other detections.

ps: Your “Always On” is pretty large in relation to most people’s. That’s a place that you could optimize even without any detections.

pss: Probably worth checking in with support@sense.com on this topic as well.

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Are you getting similar with both your Senses?

Is the big Always On/Other for the reptiles? i.e. a bunch of heat lamps? (the Solar Sense?)
That would explain a lot.

On another note: I kinda love the idea of having a purely solar powered reptile house … like having to forego skylights for PV and then using the PV power to make light.

There are those for whom Sense seems to work OK, then there are the rest of us. No clue what the ratio actually is. Apparently environment and kinds of devices vary widely.

Do you have many things plugged in to power strips or do you have each device plugged in to it’s own outlet?

I wonder if that makes any difference in detection of devices.

Power strips, unless they’re a TP-Link HS300, don’t make a difference for Sense detection.

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What do your detections look like? Can you give more info regarding your energy usage and some of the larger electrical loads? Have you reached out to support? We’re missing a lot of information here so it’s hard to give you a good assessment.

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That’s certainly abnormal. I’d echo all of @senseinaz’s questions above. And agreed that that is a huge Always On. You should be able to make some optimizations there even without a better detection experience.

I have the same situation which makes Sense not very useful at all.

After 2 years of training, this is what my normal display looks like:

Always on: 1656w
Other: 1264w

I would love to get some insight into how to solve the “other” and “always on” part of this.

@RyanAtSense did a great checklist on how to inventory your Always On sources here:

I would use a traveling HS110 smart plug to take aim at the Other. Try for a day or two on each suspect 120V device in your house. Sorry, but it won’t help with 240V dual phase devices or wired 120V.

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I’m hopeful. I’ve only had sense for a week and a half and it’s discovered a few things but some of them not completely yet. Originally my mini split only showed a small steady usage and then it must have picked up another part of the unit and now it varies and shows up to 10 times as much use. It found my dryer the other day but it only registers as dryer in the bubble if I have it on high heat. Low heat still comes up as other which makes me think it’s only picking up the heating element on high and is probably not picking up the motor. Oddly though when it reads other in the bubble in my notifications underneath it will tell me that the dryer was turned on for 1 minute. It also discovered my stovetop but it only recognizes the one burner as stove, the other three and the oven come up as other.

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It’s common for a detection on specific heat levels and not have them on others. With my dryer and stovetop burners, there are detections for high on some and low on others. Don’t be surprised if your dryer has more than one detection for heat only without the motor. Say, one at high and another on low. You can them merge them into one device or leave as is.

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Apparently Sense discovered my heating element on low and merged it in with the high heat under dryer. Still doesn’t see the motor as part of the dryer. Also found something it called ‘motor 1’ that I think might be part of my heat pump water heater but not sure yet.

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I just deleted a device that Sense called “motor 1”. It clearly was not a device in my home…Sense device power meter showed it with a very distinctive power meter signature, even when the mains were showing relatively constant power draw. Looks like Sense would try to make sense of “Other” power by frequently calling part of it as “motor 1”.

I now have 9 smart plugs…mostly given up on reliable device detection. Just installed several this week on my refrigerators, ice maker, and wine chiller. Sense could detect these 66% of the time…I wanted better. Over the next week, I need to tell Sense which of the 12 fridge devices it thinks I have are the 4 devices I actually own. (To be fair, the 2 fridges are dual compressor Sub-Zero; so I really have 6 compressor devices in addition the the AC compressors.).

My experience with smart-plugs and Sense has been a mixed bag. My home Wireless LAN is comprised of a Plume wireless mesh, which has mostly been great…providing strong wifi throughout my home, even as I walk from one side of my property to the other side…but I think it is causing some of the UDP packets from the smart plugs to be dropped, so Sense sees some power samples as missing. I need to setup Wireshark on my LAN to see if I can determine why packets are sometimes dropped, as Sense doesn’t handle that well…wish it would.

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