@kevin1 I’m not sure how to interpret your response. Your language says that you disagree and are arguing with what I said, but your arguments are all ones that I have already made, myself, in defense of sense and its developers. So perhaps you just misunderstood me, or I am misunderstanding you? To say the least, the intent of my response, that you replied to was to say that it’s not fair to Sense to compare it to such a powerful “computer” and its abilities. What our brain does so perfectly (sometimes or usually depending on the task) is so much harder for a computer.
But yes, as I’ve said before, scientist have been working on face and voice recognition for decades, and even now it is still spotty. Since this uses the same technology, I don’t think anyone should be buying this device expecting the device recognition feature to work. If that is the primary motivation for buying it, the purchaser will be, at the least, disappointed.
I don’t know what you mean when you say I am simplifying the sense challenge too much by centering it around what needs to be done in my home. What I’m saying is that my home, compared to someone like yours, is a level one challenge. And if it doesn’t work in my home, I’d be surprised if it worked in a home like yours.
Going back to the voice recognition analogy. my home is a soundproof room, and your home is a crowded restaurant, or bar, or whatever. At least in my mind, if the voice recognition doesn’t work in a sound proof room, it is not going to work in a crowded room with lots of noise.
For your first point, It’s detected lots of devices in my house. Just not accurately. For example, a week or more ago, it detected the lights in my kitchen. but it doesn’t detect consistently, accurately, or precisely. It has trouble knowing when the lights turned on. And I find that with other devices as well. Even for the devices that it detects, I can’t trust it because it doesn’t detect the device for the entire duration that the device was consuming power.
I mean they’re leds but its 8 of them, and they are tubes. so they consume a lot of power. I’m amazed that Sense detected them because they don’t exactly turn on in unison. I’m sure you are familiar with that.
I didn’t realize how much power they used until I installed Sense. Now I rarely turn them on, lol. If I can help it, I turn on the led lights in the Dining Room, and that light shines into the Kitchen enough for me to do most of the tasks that I have to do in there at night. During the day, I have sunlight. So don’t think I am ever saying that Sense is a terrible useless product. I just think that one feature is fun but not accurate enough to be useful. Just like the voice recognition on my phone. lol.
Over time, and the Sense Support guy acknowledged this, the device starts to get confused the more data it collects. at one point it detected both my dehumidifier and my air conditioner perfectly. then 3 months later or so, it started confusing the two.
For your second point, We are differing in our vocabulary. I am using the vocabulary of Sense. and to Sense, devices are words. Your washing machine is not a “device”, it is a composite of devices. It is a machine. So yes, I agree with you. it is a sentence made up of individual words. the different components that make it up are words. the different parts of the cycle (spinning, agitating, etc that’s how I labeled them) are words. My dryer is gas, Sense has not detected the tumbler. but it has detected some part of it that I can only guess is the ignition, lol. It has detected the light in my fridge. It detected the blower motor and AC unit separetely. The blower motor and dehumidifying component in my dehumidifier separetely. that’s cool with me. I can understand why it would do it that way, and I prefer it that way.
I can look at my graph and tell that the dryer is running. It will get better with time. Voice recognition still stinks (imho), but it’s def better than it used to be.
Here’s my house over the last 24 hours. Each one of those smaller identical spikes is the refrigerator. around 4 in the morning is the furnace and a space heater as you can see. etc. the cursor fell right on the spike for the fridge. 999 w is not my average power usage.
2 hour shot:
around 10:35 AM is where I turned on the living room lights. (10 cans), and a moment ago the dehumidifier turned on. every other spike is the fridge. The fridge is one device that seems to have accurate detection
As you can see, I don’t need the device recognition. I feel like the market for the device is made up of hobbyist like myself, and professionals (or professionally skilled hobbyist) like yourself. And I can’t imagine anyone buying into this device being less familiar with the technology than I am. I don’t understand when people get on here complaining about device discovery as though that breaks the device and renders it completely useless.
I don’t need the device recognition. as a hobbyist, what I need is a simple interface that allows me to select the data and assign it to devices. hobbyist like myself and professional/hobbyist like yourself, I find, tend to complain more about the lack of data manipulating features (tfttt support for example). Personally, I would rather see the Sense team focus more on releasing these kinds of features that allow us to play with our data more than trying to develop the part of the device that might not work decently for another decade or more.
Maybe that sounds pessimistic… but I’m just looking at the state of similar projects that have much more money invested into them, and the ability to collect data and play with it was the reason I invested in this product. Device recognition was more of a fun bonus if it worked.
anyways, sorry for the book. just trying to say that we’re on the same side.