Forced Learning?

Is there a way to FORCE the learning process. Speed things up. For example. Can I turn everything off in the house and then turn things on one at a time and then label them so I know what they are? My Sense has been running for about a month and I got 10 devices so far but how long does it take to detect all the items in the house on its own?

Tons of similar threads on this forum on that topic - the short answer is no, you can’t force learning and “teaching” Sense what a device looks like in isolation is counterproductive if you want it to recognize the device under all kinds of conditions in the house. If you want to understand more, read this:

Realize also that with the current “native detection” there are certain classes of devices that are likely to be discovered and other that are far less likely. Sense is working on new version of “native detection” that should handle a wider range of devices types, called Progressive Device Detection. There’s a link in the article above that gives a little more info on Progressive Detection, but until that comes along, my experience has been:

Likely to be detected over time

  • Dryer heating element (if electric)
  • Maybe washer and dryer motors, but only if the are AC old school motors (neither of mine are)
  • Oven heating and range heating elements (if electric and if Sense sees enough cycles)
  • Some kitchen appliances - dishwasher heating element, trash compactor, coffee maker, instant hot water heater, old school (non-inverter) fridges.
  • Incandescent and some florescent lighting
  • Printer - laser printer heating element
  • Vacuum cleaners, motorized plug-in tools

Unlikely with today’s Native Detection mechanism
On and off signatures masked by power supplies, etc.

  • TVs, receivers, AV components and DVRs
  • DC and variable speed motors - many pool pumps, inverter fridges, and battery backup garage openers.
  • Computers (laptops and desktops)
  • LED lighting (except for Hue) - I have seen some LED detected, but usually in homes that have a very low activity level of other devices.
  • Variable speed HVAC systems and many mini-splits, though Sense has been slowly improving

Unfortunately, no, there isn’t. BTW, I’m in my third year and have only slightly more devices reporting reliably. Sense is reporting my consumption and solar gains VERY accurately, but I already had that with WELSERVER anyway. I bought Sense to learn where all my power was going in detail, which mostly didn’t happen. Turns out there are too many things that their detection architecture just can’t handle. Oh well.

I am very concerned in the fact that you say you have had it for YEARS and not detected more items. I paid over $300 for mine and am starting to think it might not have been a good decision as I really need to know if the power company is messing up my billing. One month they charged me $500 for service and tried to tell me (and I am 150% sure nothing had changed) that I was doing more with my power.
then the bill dropped… Things that make you go Hummm.???

Can anyone else help me with understanding if this is the case with the unit i bought?
‎Model # ‎12000 ??

any further info would be great.

Measurement is a different story than detection. Sense should be extremely accurate at measuring your overall home usage to compare against your utility.

Native detection is highly variable depending on home, type of devices etc.

Power companies do occasionally mess up meter readings, and my experience with Sense (and my 11 year old WELSERVER) is that they very accurately report both my power consumption and my solar. Far more rarely the meters themselves have problems.

My recommendation is to read your own meter regularly and compare it to what you are seeing from Sense.

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