"Other" has no power meter?

#1

I installed a few more TP-Link outlets yesterday on key items. One of which is a UPS that powers a bunch of network gear, alarm panel, and home automation equipment. It has a constant draw of ~50W.

My Always On has not yet dropped which I know can take 24 hours to recalculate so no concerns there. I then thought maybe the constant draw would be pulled out of the Other category. I went to look for a 50W drop around the time I installed the outlet, yet there seems to be no power meter for Other. I don’t think I’ve ever looked for it before so I assume it has always been this way.

May we please have a power meter for Other? :slightly_smiling_face:

Power Meter for “Other”
#2

I don’t think you are going to see the drop come out of Other, since Other is dependent on the Always On calculation. Other = Total Usage - all identified devices - Always On. That’s why you might see bubbles occasionally add up to more than Total Usage, and Other disappear (actually it goes negative) when Always On hasn’t yet adjusted to a new lower level. Not sure a power meter for Other would be helpful since it is a derived number.

BTW - The best place to see the Always On drop after adding smartplugs is via the hourly or daily data export, once you get a few more days of smartplug use under your belt.

#3

I suppose I was just trying to find a way to validate I’m not double-counting the wattage, and a visual shift from Always On (or Other) to the new device is what I was trying to find. I’ll check later tonight if Always On has dropped.

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#4

Heh… my always on has gone up 100W even though I cannot account for why. Now I see Always On also has no power meter. It’d be nice to see historical representations of it without going through the data export process.

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#5

@scorp508 I agree - it is odd that the Always On does not have a power meter.

Could that be added or at least added to the wish list.

#6

I can understand your motivation for an Always On history at a resolution finer than exported (hourly), but I can also understand why Sense left out a Power Meter like display of Always On.

@h3steinhauer, the concept of a Power Meter implies instantaneous data history, but Always On (and by fiat Other) are partially based on power reading low points that could have happened just then, 10 minutes earlier and even a day earlier. So you couldn’t use a Power Meter-like display of Always On (or Other), to look for direct time correlations like you can with all the devices with real Power Meters.

If Sense added a Power Meter-like display for those two, it would probably need to come in a different color with a different name, and proper caveats, to avoid confusion, because the displayed data wouldn’t behave like normal Power Meter data.

#7

This isn’t my desire, or at least I didn’t mean to suggest it was.

I agree a very fine resolution for Always On wouldn’t provide much added value. I want to be able to see trends across the periods it is recalculated without having to go into super user mode of exporting/analyzing data.

In this case, did Always On generally go down ~50W in the days after adding this particular smart plug that is connected to a bunch of devices Sense will never learn? I think the business case I would be presenting this as would be; “How do we provide the end user evidence their act of spending money and adding the smart plug to these non-learnable devices resulted in a positive outcome for Sense?”

Always On being refactored on a periodic basis is fine. I’d expect a Power Meter for it to essentially look like a bar chart over time where each ~24 hour segment is higher/lower/equal than the segment before or after it.

The Usage area for Always On isn’t directly helpful as it is based on cumulative usage rather than the extrapolated wattage. Other devices have the ‘Stats’ area which is closer as it shows average wattage, but it doesn’t show this value over time.

#8

The only reason I want to see a power meter chart is to see if I can look through that graph and make sense of what may have turned on or off during a time period.

Now I understand that the “Other” is really just the left over after the known devices / workloads - thus - trying to get a finer view is not possible.

#9

Ahhh. I understand. I originally used the Always On device summary (Usage area) to try to understand Always On movements with smartplugs until I ran into three shortcomings:

  • There wasn’t always enough relief to see whether a bar was higher, lower of equal to the previous one
  • The data in the mouseover box is daily kWh, rather than power in watts. I, like you, am used to thinking about devices in terms of power (W), instead of daily energy (kWh).
  • 1 month limit - Once we entered Dec., I couldn’t see the data all together…
#10

We have power meters for detected devices.
What’s I’d like to see is a power meter for “other” that we can also use like a timeline view and see wattage consumption at any given time.
“Other” has the usage box that shows use down to the hour so this information is already being tracked.

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#11

I strongly agree that this would be useful.

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#12

In that case, Personally I wouldn’t mind the ability to turn off the “always on” feature. it is pretty meaningless given its method of calculation.

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#13

Finally!
Someone else that agrees with me about “Always On”
Thank you @Grandpa2390

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#14

Well I mean, the “Other” calculation is much more useful for figuring out what’s on and so forth. I feel like Always On should be available, but I don’t think it should be part of the calculations of Other and so forth.

If my Router is Always on and consuming x watt-hours, it should still be in the Other category until it is identified.

And maybe, for those of us who don’t have smart plugs, but we have a device like Kill-A-Watt, we could punch in the numbers for Always On devices with constant usage if we really wanted to remove them from the Other category.